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Petanque don’s ramblings.

Last post 13 hours, 42 minutes ago by petanque don. 327 replies.
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  •  10-23-2007, 4:14 PM 44275

    Petanque don’s ramblings.

    Having been on the site several years I thought I would start a journal.

     

    What has inspired this?

     

    After trying the very low calorie diet thing I lost about 30Kg having stoped this I proceeded to plateau and start to put weight back on.

     

    This left me pondering the question how long does one persist with something that seems ineffective?

     

    Having pondered for a long time I enquired about gastric banding it seems I fit the selection criteria.

     

    The show on the ABC about Mikey Robins banding was probably the catalyst that made me seriously enquire about gastric banding.

     

    The academic literature seems to suggest that once you are morbidly obese the chances of loosing the weight and maintaining the weight loss for 10 years are small.

     

    They suggest that the goal for me will be 83Kg and a BMI of 27.

     

    I must admit that I haven’t been 83 Kg and healthy since puberty.

     

    Seems a drastic change.

     

    They have us on optifast in the meantime.

     

    Lost 1.9 kg last week

     

    The surgery is scheduled for the 3rd of December.



  •  10-23-2007, 5:24 PM 44276 in reply to 44275

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    I'm glad you've started a journal because I know you'll provide a very accurate account of what goes on.

    I'll be watching (and reading) with interest!

    Ray


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  •  10-23-2007, 5:31 PM 44278 in reply to 44275

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    Hi Don!

    I have a friend who just had this procedure done a couple of weeks ago, she goes back for her band fill next week. so far she is pleased, although I realise it is very recent!

    How are you coping with the Optifast?

    I am with Ray, I look forward to your candid honesty as you go through this, and I wish you every success! 


    Caution: Sarcastic and Cynical!!!
  •  10-23-2007, 7:57 PM 44279 in reply to 44278

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    Hey there how much weight do you have to lose now? Have you tried joining the gym and losing it that way? Im just wondering what plan of action you used with the shakes, I dunno it seems so extreme getting the banding done im not knocking it if it works for someone that has exhausted everything else. I watched a show on foxtel about morbidly obese people like 300 400 pounds and they couldnt even stand and walk they where bed ridden and for them I see that as a last resort. Dont get me wrong in this post im just putting thoughts down here, I also believe if you arent in health cover its like $15,000 but $4000 with health cover is that right? You did well losing the 30kg so what ever you do go for it, well I must say you'll be lookin pretty smart at the nudist beach once you are at goal LOL. seriously Don all the very best losing the weight.ROTFL













  •  10-23-2007, 8:38 PM 44282 in reply to 44275

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    Well done Don,

    May I ask if there is required pscyhological counselling pre & post surgery? I do believe that in some cases gastric banding is a great option, but personally feel that there should be mandatory support on a psych level to help patients work through the issues underlying their weight problem.

    Anyway I wish you all the very very best with it and I know you're an intelligent & enquiring mind so of course you have all the right supports in place!

    Luv Kaz x

  •  10-23-2007, 8:53 PM 44284 in reply to 44278

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    Hi Don

     

    I myself have enquired about gastic banding.  I have taken out private health insurance and now just have to wait my 12 months.  I hope to be banded this time next year.

    I have an appointment also with the Obesity Clinic at the Royal Adelaide Hospital.  Was hoping I could have the surgery throught them, but have heard alot of rumors that they don't do it anymore, and even if they did it would be many years on a public waiting list.  Though I will be put through their processes of seeing a dietitian and psychologist etc.

     I've tried the optifast, I have great difficulty sticking with it, and end up binging.  At least I know when I'm banded I simply will not be physically able to do that.  How are you going with it? 

    There is a wonderful message board on Yahoo dedicated to Lap banding.  Very informative, and great to get tips and information from others who are banded or going through the process.

    Some people think that having weightloss surgery is an easy way out, It's NOT, it is only a tool, you still have to work hard at it, you can still have a high calorie diet and cheat the band.  But some of us need that extra helping hand.  I'm not ashamed to admit I need it.  What I like about the Lap Banding is that it is reversable, and adjustable.  Everyone is different and having a device that can be adjusted to your personal requirements is what I like about it.

     

    Tam


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  •  10-24-2007, 10:26 AM 44287 in reply to 44284

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    I am doing this with the Adelaide Bariatric Center.

     

    On the counselling side

     

    The first comparison that they made was that the band is like a chainsaw it can be a useful tool but it can kill you. (I don’t know if any potential candidates get up and leave at this stage.)

     

    Having done research on the academic literature being an economics student means you get access to all the academic journals not just the economics one.

     

    The article that made the biggest impression with me was a comprehensive study that the follow up after ten years the banded group there were 3% of people who were not followed up e.g. they moved away or died in the non banded control group 30% of people were lost it is possible that this means that fat people move more or it could mean something else.

     

    I will suggest there are serious health issues to be morbidly obese.

     

    The academic literature suggests that banding needs to be part of holistic approach and diet and exercise are still very important.

     

    The first appointment was for about an hour there where all sorts of questions about exercise, diet, previous attempts to loose weight and psychological issues such as depression and sexual abuse.

     

    It is still possible to cheat and not lose weight with a band it was suggested that chocolate is the last thing that will go though the restriction.

     

    I must admit I have found very low calorie diets easy in the past and it seems straight forward this time.



  •  10-24-2007, 1:03 PM 44297 in reply to 44287

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    On the expenses there is a $700 fee that covers 6 sessions with a personal trainer supplied by the Adelaide Bariatric Centre

     

    The surgeon charges a gap of about $30.00 per visit.

     

    The health benefits I have has a $500per visit + $50 per day gap to pay so the endoscopie cost $550.00

     

    If I stay in hospital 2 days the banding will leave me out of pocket $600.00

     

    I will suggest the banding will cost me in total less than $2500.00

     

    Some of this will be a tax deduction.

     

    Less than the new clothes I will probably need

     

    I am under the impression that the band will need ongoing monitoring so there will be a gap fee for a Bariatric doctor about $30 per year for the rest of my life.

     

    Clearly there can be no guarantee that there will not be future problems but there are people that have had bands for over 20 years without problems.

     

    It seems from my enquiries that the cost and quality of surgeons performing the banding operation is highly variable.

     

    There seems to be some surgeons who are prepared to make the preparation and recovery stages of the operation less arduous and potentially sacrifice the quality of the result.



  •  10-24-2007, 9:49 PM 44304 in reply to 44297

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    I will be watching your progress with great interest as I am currently exploring the option of having the Gastric Banding operation.

    Is nost of the cost covered by medicare?  I really haven't gone into that side of things. 

    Lastly can you recommend any websites that you may have looked up for information on these surgeries.


    Overall: height 174cm start weight 159kg, cw117.4 gw80kg


  •  10-25-2007, 10:21 AM 44314 in reply to 44304

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    I am uncertain who actually pays for what.

     

    The retail price of the band is about $3000.00 and there would be extra hospital expenses that my heath insurance picks up.

     

    As I understand there are bandings done in the public system but the waiting lists are long (3-7 years)

     

    The surgeon who is doing my band has a research program so he has a different business plan to many surgeons.

     

    Typically I think there can be a gap up to $5000.00 to be completely self funded the cost can be as high as $15000.00

     

    http://www.adelaidebariatriccentre.com.au/index.php

     

    Is the web site of the group who I will be doing this with.

     

    There is a yahoo group

     

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozband/

     

    That has people interested or involved in this activity what lay opinion is worth you may need to decide yourself.



  •  10-25-2007, 1:27 PM 44315 in reply to 44314

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    Thanks Don Big Smile
    Overall: height 174cm start weight 159kg, cw117.4 gw80kg


  •  10-25-2007, 4:43 PM 44324 in reply to 44315

    Re: Petanque don’s ramblings.

    I look forward to reading your journal and seeing your progress Don.. best of luck!! Rossy
  •  10-26-2007, 2:06 PM 44344 in reply to 44324

    Of course we support you

    I had an interesting conversation with my wife last night.

    I start the official time on optifast in Monday (6weeks before the banding). Actually I just checked the calendar and the dietician got it wrong I was meant to start last Monday (whoops).

    If she could cut back on the lollies and chocolate in the house or at least hide them out of sight so there would be some reduction in the temptation to fall of the wagon.

    She thought this was quite unreasonable.

    Spoke to the mother in law in the phone and it came up about Christmas dinner.

    I should not be eating a lot at Christmas the surgeon says liquids only.

    From the rest of the conversation (lecture) I think she has very different ideas.

    Perhaps I will be doing more of this by myself than what I originally thought.

    I suppose at least this will mean I won’t need to feel guilty for claiming the credit for the results.

    The doctors have been quite straight forward and honest they say “the scales will tell us if you have been cheating”.



  •  10-28-2007, 3:04 PM 44362 in reply to 44344

    Re: Of course we support you

    hi don,

    is it possible to collect ALL the lollies & chocolate in the house, anything that is a temptation for you, and either 1) throw them out, or 2) put them in a locked box with a key or code only she has access too? i'm concerned that she thought your request was unreasonable, as the support of your loved one is supreme in a) the optifast programme itself and b) for the surgery ahead you're having.

    as for mother in law & christmas, well, frankly, if it's going to be a situation where your specific needs are ignored or worse, i personally wouldn't even go. i think sometimes the people around us feel more secure at having us as the 'fat person' and all that supposed role and stigma entails. when we make such positive attempts at changing things, they are the first to bring us down, put obstacles in the way or make us feel that we are the ones being unreasonable. these saboteurs are people we don't need around us if possible.

    no, i'm not saying get a divorce or lock your MIL up, but careful explanation and discussion needs to be taken in hand, and boundaries established, so that you have the best shot at this succeeding, not just on a medical and physical level, but on a psychological & emotional level too. once you can take a clear look at the relationships around you and the imposed expectations of other towards you, you'll be able to really work out who is a saboteur and who is helping. they may not even realise that what they are doing is so damaging. if they do, however, then that's a whole other story.

    good luck - it's certainly a challenging time ahead. remember with the optifast, drink loads of water, as it does help the hunger pains, and i think now they've made it so you can add some fruit too - but check what your surgeon has advised. in the end, you are doing this for yourself, and your results will be yours, so protect it at all costs.

    kaz xx

  •  10-28-2007, 3:28 PM 44363 in reply to 44344

    Re: Of course we support you

    It's disappointing when family see this as a hinderance to them, rather than a positive change for your, but unfortunately it is all too common.

    Stay strong, and they will come around!

     


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