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Last post 06-14-2008, 8:38 AM by cowgirl. 151 replies.
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  •  02-28-2008, 9:54 AM 46262 in reply to 46258

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    The issue of adequate training and good follow up and management for gastric banding is well documented.

     

    There was one paper I read that involved a study of several thousand individuals and after 10 years 3% of the banded group had become lost (died or could not be traced)

     

    In the control group 30% had become lost.

     

    It is probably accurate to suggest that the operation has risks.

     

    However this must be balanced against the health risks of remaining morbidly obese.

     

    This really needs to be assessed on an individual basis.

     



  •  02-28-2008, 1:53 PM 46271 in reply to 46262

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    I did see the article today, very interesting stuff. I hope it brings further awareness and spurs for investigation for those considering this avenue.

    Luv Kaz x

  •  02-28-2008, 2:26 PM 46272 in reply to 46262

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    I agree Don, but unfortunately obesity is rarely a purely physical issue.

    Caution: Sarcastic and Cynical!!!
  •  02-28-2008, 4:06 PM 46275 in reply to 46272

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    While I would agree that obesity is a complex issue

     

    Gastric banding studies suggest that 95% of people reach there goal weight and then maintain this weight for at least ten years.

     

    Considering to qualify for a gastric band you need to have made a reasonable attempt at other forms of weight loss so all these people have already failed at other forms of weigh loss this

     

    Gastric banding studies suggest that 95% of people reach there goal weight and then maintain this weight for at least ten years.

     

    Does suggest that banding works very well for many of the people who undergo the surgery?

     

    If you are happy with your weight loss using other methods it would seem very sensible to stick with something that is working for you.

     

    Equally if everything else has failed should you just sit on the couch and just organise a tradesperson to widen the doors in your house?

     

    Or if you are informed about the risks involved should you be allowed to try a drastic but often very effective method to lose weight?

     

    I would hope fat people are intelligent enough to make their own decisions.



  •  02-29-2008, 3:33 PM 46291 in reply to 46275

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    I met with the surgeon this morning, and we're all set for me to go ahead - just need to set the date. It's likely to be the start of April, although I phoned his secretary and she hasn't gotten back to me yet.

    The surgeon and I had a chat about the article - I asked if he'd seen it and he said yes, then asked me what I thought. I said that I was actually wondering what the paper's agenda was in publishing it, and he said he was wondering the same thing. He also said he's happy that they did, because it is important that people understand it's not just another thing to try - that it is surgery and there are risks. We also had a chat about the comment made by Paula Shelton from Slater & Gordon about the difference between good surgeons and bad surgeons - and how important it is to make sure that your surgeon really knows what they're doing, and isn't just jumping on the bandwagon (so to speak!) because they can see dollar signs.

    There's no doubt that I agree with what Rick Kausman said about the need to address underlying mental health issues, no matter what they relate to. Additionally, I think that there are a range of physical issues that can stop people losing the weight, and that this surgery assists in addressing those.

    One of the things that has occurred to me (although I didn't discuss it with my surgeon this morning) is that there may well be people who are being told by a specialist (cardiologist, endocrinolgist, whatever) that they need to have the surgery to address major health problems that the patient is experiencing, and that this means that there may be people who are heading off to have the surgery without really being fully committed to it - that as far as they're concerned they're just following doctor's orders. In this group of people there would certainly be people whose attitude to food and eating needs to be addressed on a psychological level, in a professional setting.

    At the same time, there are those of us who just need to be freed from the battle of fighting hunger - and once that's been done, it's easy to eat the right way, because you're not constantly puttting energy into fighting that hunger sensation.  In my particular case, I certainly eat as an emotional response, no doubt about that. But the major emotional issue for me is how I feel about myself at this weight. For me, this surgery will provide a way to control the amount I eat - and then, when I get a desire to eat when I'm not hungry, I don't have to fight the urge to eat, because I know I can't. Instead, I'll be able to put that energy into really working out what has upset me, and how to address that. The problem that Rick Kausman is talking about is those people who haven't learnt how to do that. I don't think it should be an either/or in terms of counselling vs surgery - I think the surgery frees you up to focus on the emotional/psychological side. Good monitoring and follow-up should identify those who need the extra psychological support, and appropriate referrals should be made at that point.

    It's not like we refuse heart surgery to patients because they won't address the emotional basis of their weight is it?


    There is never a wrong time to do the right thing
  •  03-01-2008, 12:58 AM 46299 in reply to 46291

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    It seems you have considered things carefully.

    I hope it goes smoothly and you are happy with the result.

    On considering a date I will suggest that I was very sore after the operation for the first week and still having a snooze in the afternoon on the second week so if you have kids it may be wise to time things so that you have some assistance with caring for them.




  •  03-03-2008, 10:17 AM 46324 in reply to 46299

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    Thanks for the tip Don. I told my husband what you'd said, so he's planning on taking the four days (two days per week times two weeks) that I am at home with the kids off, so that he can take care of them while I rest. He was always planning on doing this, your comments just reinforced the intention.

    I have just had a look at my diary - 43 weeks til Christmas. If I lose 1kg/wk starting this week I'll be at my 67%weight loss post-surgery goal by Christmas. Sounds pretty appealing.....

    I was going to start O/F today but haven't. The surgeon said I need to go on it for two weeks prior to surgery (I asked what criteria he used to determine the length of time, and he said starting weight and I'm at the smaller end of the scale - I laughed and said I loved being considered the "smaller end of the scale"!) - but I was going to start now, because if the surgery is on April 4 (the date the surgeon quoted - but I need to confirm) then that gives me four weeks of being on it - and more weight loss has to be a good thing doesn't it?! But I woke up this morning feeling pretty seedy - I had quite a lot of white wine in front of So You Think You Can Dance and Grey's Anatomy last night - and needed coffee too much!! So I made myself a huge thermos of coffee, which I drank on the way to work - equivalent to about three cups of coffee!!! And now I'm nearly at the end of a 1.25L bottle of water to which I've added two berocca tablets.

    I changed my work hours last week, so my new hours are five mornings a week, with three afternoons a week free between finishing work and collecting the kids from childcare. So I have decided to start using that time to go to the gym, so I can't use the excuse of not having enough time at the end of the day. So starting that today, and feeling REALLY good about it :D


    There is never a wrong time to do the right thing
  •  03-04-2008, 9:14 AM 46339 in reply to 46324

    Date is set

    Surgery on April 4. OptiFast for two weeks prior - which is conveniently over the whole Easter period!!!

    I went to the gym yesterday arvo after work - x-trainer L3 random 30min burned 505 cals. Go me! Jumping1

    I LOVED going to the gym after work - even though it was a bit of a rush because I had to jump in the shower and then head all the way back to work/uni because I had a class - which turned out to be a repeat of one that I listened to online on Sunday! So that was a bit frustrating. But I felt so fantastic about it (although I am still a bit weary today from pushing myself to get that 500 cals) that there is NO doubt in my mind that this is what I'll do with my afternoons off - I can't see myself making any excuses not to do it, especially since I dropped one of my subjects so I can justify the time now :D

    I'm going to have a couple of weeks of doing a reasonably short session - probably 30min cardio - before adding in the weights program that I had made up for me back before Christmas, and upping the workout to 60min all up.


    There is never a wrong time to do the right thing
  •  03-04-2008, 10:24 AM 46340 in reply to 46324

    Re: All kindsa crazy!

    coops:

    I have just had a look at my diary - 43 weeks til Christmas. If I lose 1kg/wk starting this week I'll be at my 67%weight loss post-surgery goal by Christmas. Sounds pretty appealing.....

    I was going to start O/F today but haven't. The surgeon said I need to go on it for two weeks prior to surgery (I asked what criteria he used to determine the length of time, and he said starting weight and I'm at the smaller end of the scale - I laughed and said I loved being considered the "smaller end of the scale"!) - but I was going to start now, because if the surgery is on April 4 (the date the surgeon quoted - but I need to confirm) then that gives me four weeks of being on it - and more weight loss has to be a good thing doesn't it?! But I woke up this morning feeling pretty seedy - I had quite a lot of white wine in front of So You Think You Can Dance and Grey's Anatomy last night

     

    While 1Kg per week would be nice so far I have not achieved this.

     

    Remember the first month or so will probably be more rest and recovery than hard core weight loss.

     

    Whatever your weight come Christmas if your weight is consistently reducing this is probably better than what has happened in the past.

     

    What diet includes wine I am certain that the wine industry would be very keen to sponsor a book that encourages wine consumption.

     



  •  03-05-2008, 10:03 AM 46355 in reply to 46340

    Date is set

    Yeah, I know 1kg/wk is optimistic - I just like the idea of it!! They say they aim for the standard 0.5-1kg wk post-surgery - if I fall somewhere towards the top of that range I'll be happy - less happy if I fall towards the bottom of the range. I'm setting high standards for myself! But yes Don, you're absolutely right - if my weight is steadily reducing then that will be a good thing no matter what!


    There is never a wrong time to do the right thing
  •  03-05-2008, 10:21 AM 46359 in reply to 46355

    Re: Date is set

    I have a friend who had it done recently, and she is averaging 5 kgs a month. Before surgery and Optifast she was 147kg, she is no 120kg. she is religious about following the eating plan and is maintaining exercise. As a compulsive overeater, this has been a great success for her so far, and if she keeps going this way, she will acheive her goal!

    Caution: Sarcastic and Cynical!!!
  •  03-05-2008, 12:27 PM 46361 in reply to 46359

    Re: Date is set

    I think realistically that if you look back the last 2-5 years and what has happened.

     

    Now unless you change something the next 2-5 years will be much of the same.

     

    While self restraint and exercise do work.

     

    Many people struggle to stay on the wagon in the long term.

     



  •  03-06-2008, 6:02 PM 46397 in reply to 46359

    Re: Date is set

    5 kgs per month sounds good! I'd definitely like to be in that category - which would give me what - 45kgs by Christmas. That would get me surprisingly close to goal.

    I have been conscious over the last week how much of my eating is habitual - just more of a "well it's lunchtime so I'll get my usual Chinese takeaway". And the problem has been that when I have not eaten because I haven't been hungry at lunchtime, by the time I have gotten home I've been starving, and then pretty much inhaled food. I look forward to not doing that!!


    There is never a wrong time to do the right thing
  •  03-07-2008, 9:59 AM 46408 in reply to 46397

    Re: Date is set

    coops:

     I've been starving, and then pretty much inhaled food. I look forward to not doing that!!

     

    Certainly I have found the insatiable urge to eat seems to be tamed.

     

    I will suggest that if you eat without chewing your food properly you will get a surprisingly quick and possibly painful reminder not to.

     



  •  03-09-2008, 1:50 PM 46452 in reply to 46408

    Re: Date is set

    My DH and I both had a very good day on Friday - both came home with a promotion & associated pay rise! So that was very very lovely! Am feeling a bit stressed about mine because it actually means both more work (extra responsibilities) and an increased fraction, from 0.6 to 0.9. My DH's on the other hand is just a reclass - so more money for the job he's already doing!

    I'm stressed because I had REALLY been enjoying the afternoons off to go to the gym and collect the kids early from childcare, and now we're going to be back to the same old stressed life we were at a month ago, before I changed my work hours. But I feel quite fenced in, because we need the money - interest rate rises mean our mortgage payments have gone from $150/wk above the minimum when we took out the loan (in 2001) to just on the minimum now - without any change in the actual repayments. Extra money would be SO nice because at the moment we have no breathing space - if the car breaks down (which it's prone to doing) we're stuffed. So I have decided that, worst case scenario, I do the job at the 0.9 fraction for the rest of the year, and if it is just too much then I can drop back to 0.6 and they can hire someone to work the other 0.4. Then it's just one more year of financial constraints before my DD starts school and we don't have to pay for her childcare anymore.

    In the meantime, I need to work out a way to add the gym back into my routine with the additional work hours - and the only thing I can think of is a 6am session. Oh joy. But I guess the reality is, I need the gym time for the endorphins, and that's going to be the only way I can get it.


    There is never a wrong time to do the right thing
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